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I think this is going to be a similar situation to dragon/drunken monk and the bear/wolf/bird shaman option. I rolled a preservation cleric several years ago and I came to the same conclusion that clerics just can't kill anything at a rate faster than mold growing, and promptly deleted that toon at ...

The 3 hour buff length would be nice but doesn't really negate the 24 people rifting around. How many times has a raid force collected all of those buffs, went to a raid target, then wiped, all in the span of 15-20 minutes only to repeat the whole process again? A 3 hour buff wouldn't change that ...

[quote="Jakkal"]I know this was a common misconception, but not all of those had to be tanked by the player. I'm not sure if some did or some didn't, or if something got broken down the line, but I know Death Whirl did not require a rogue to tank. And some of my other toons learned stuff without ...

Another thought: what if all the major cities had a new/special NPC with a PotA god level difficult parley and each successful parley has a 40% chance to reward a shard, then combine like 10 of these shards to form a gem that could be clicked (no refresh) to buff a raid/group with a buff that took ...

[quote="Kilsin"]I really like those idea's Dinjoc, I think that would work well for raiding guilds certainly and as a guild/raid leader, thinking back over all those years of pushing buffs, an extended GH buff would've been very nice! I am not seeing it working very well for PUG raids/groups though ...

Civic diplos seemed to pulse/refresh every 3-5 seconds from what I noticed client side whenever I'd click one off. I think limiting the availability of actual civics wouldn't be too bad as long as there are several chunks designated that they worked in (i.e. Khal buffs work in Khal, Qa Riverbank ...