I would of helped compile from Veltan's list Cummings but the way I read it from Silius was that is has already been done and for us to wait and read the patch notes as to what adjustments have been made from our lists. I only hope some of the more serious issues were addressed and not just fluff things or getting hit with the nerf bat (again). Finger Crossed.
Kilsin@Telon wrote: No nerfs just a couple power increases on top of getting the epic to actually work.
Wow, Thank you Silius! That is some VERY good news. I almost gave up, but it seems like it payed off. I thank you for that. I am sorry if we came a bit harsh at times, but that is due to so much dedication and love for the class & game. I hope you understand that. Waiting eagerly for these fixes you have got us, plus the epic fix!
Cummings, I agree totally the MAJOR problems/bugs should be looked at FIRST. I just simply tried to list all problems and bugs that I knew of, so they won't get be forgotten, etc, and basically I added all that was requested/were requested at some point back in the days. Not all of them are equally important. Oh, and I agree on those points you made, LS mana drain is probably just fine, doesn't need any tweak, maybe a very minor, but that's it and the pota 5 piece armor with pets is very minor too. Those are minor things and not very important. Devs should NOT tweaks those atm, but rather FOCUS on more important things currently, if most problems are fixed in future, then the minor ones can get some attention. Please don't add minor wishes that don't relate to our damage/dps atm!! ( you may add them in future once major problems and class bugs are fixed) Please focus on fixing the major problems and bugs within rogue class first!! Like you said, I agree Major problems and class bugs should be looked at first, especially when considering the essence of what makes a rogue/assassin/thief type of a character. 1) Speed (Move Fast, Strike Faster, Kill Fastest) ---- Don't have (could have if we had lowest Global Cool Down time, if the "Criminal Intent" ability stacked. 2) Capability of dealing extreme amounts of damage --- Don't have at the moment. 3) Stealthy nature (stealth) --- Don't have atm (everything sees us and stealth is a limit rather than benefit. clickies dont work in stealth, mobs turning makes us miss whole chains, mob effects breaking stealth reduces damage, stealth stance being progressive stance... etc. The reason why we lack the characteristic of rogue/assassin/thief should be looked first, they are the major things. THEY give us a ROLE. Currently rogue has no definite ROLE, that why it feels so un-needed being one. We have many tricks, but are MASTER of NONE. So, please focuse on the major parts that make rogue a rogue, and gives us a role, that should in addition give us the proper boost we require, I believe. Afterall, rogues/assassins are SQUISHY for a reason, but atm, we are just squishy/underpowered without a reason/without the benefits of a real rogue/assassin. So, if I were to list the major parts: 1) Rogue needs a definite ROLE. - For example "The Ultimate DPS" Rogue currently has no role. 2) Rogue should attack FASTEST of all classes due to the assassin/rogue nature, deal devastating damage from shadows as fast as possible and vanish again, as you can't take direct hits --- Make Criminal Intent stack with Epic bard song component + buff Quickblade to give for example 50% reduced Global cool down during that 8 second time, that stacks with both bard song & Criminal Intent. 3) DPS ISSUES : Rogues need more DPS Fix Major Problems, points, listed on the Thread Tweak Abilities/New Abilities (example make Ravage hit twice, Make HN into 3rd backstab chain), etc, etc. Evaluate Rogue's DPS position in your "official" DPS-LIST, and see how it matches the current listings, gather the evidence with your superior parsing tools. Evaluate also Monster HP vs Total Raid DPS, if the content is more centered towards BURST DPS or SUSTAINED DPS, and how to balance between each. Do rogues need more burst damage to compete with current content? 3) All Rogue related bugs that affect our damage directly on indirectly. 4) Reduce the restrictions in STEALTH since there are not benefit into being in stealth? For example, Being in Behind would deal extra damage. Or if mob turned and I hit with backstab infront, I would do less damage than normal, but wouldn't miss the whole chain.. Or Give Stealth a benefit Personally Rogues could use a burst damage increase. That would make us more desireable on shorter burst fights, while not adding too much into our sustained DPS on longer fights ( do they even exists?). This could be achieved as making Ravage hit twice, opposed to 1 hit AND what I said on 1) Make Quickblade give us 50% reduced Global Cool Down time for 8 sec and make it stack with all. And making Criminal intent to stack with all, as it's not currently stacking with epic bard. Also turning HN into giving us 3rd backstab chain ability would work. Making Ravage to hit twice wouldn't be a big tweak, it should be our top hitting ability as it can only be used outside combat, and I believe it was designed as such. Making it hit twice would make it our largest attack yes. But, I'll wait and see what Silius got us! Hopefully It's something good! Sorry for the wall of text!
Cummings@Seradon wrote: Np! It was fun collecting all the information! NOT The reason I added those "boosts" to each ability are only examples. I didn't mean they should boost each and every ability, but to give them devs examples which abilities could be boosted and how in my opinion. Hehe I feel sorry for the other classes who thought I wanted those ALL, lol! Anyway I didn't understand that could be understood that way, so I want to clear that up, no I meant them as examples Cummings, could you post me what changes you made and put them in order matching the original look of the post in the first page? Thanks Obviously, the threads needs some work since they gave us back HN, although it's useless currently. But I am bit busy currently with my schoolstuff, I'll get back into that after my exams are over. I may need to actually create a new thread, because I didn't RESERVE the 2nd and 3rd post for myself. I had some other bugs etc to type, but I ran out of space, plus I can't add stuff its really very full, lol Maybe if you see this Silius or some MOD, you could modify the thread so that you give me 1-2 more posts after the initial big wall of text, so I can edit them when we find more stuff to add. Otherwise need to start a new thread. Thanks.
Sorry hadn't looked at the forums lately Velt. Give me a day or two to get that info to ya. I've been on vacation.
