Game Update Summary - October 29, 2013

Discussion in 'Game Update Notes' started by Wigin, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. Josh Active Member

    Yes, that's what I/we want it for - to travel faster - and also just to have.

    We're entitled to get it, so why not?

    Like I said, pota access is not easy for us - it has to do with timing - and we don't have a lot of time - when we are on, there are lots of other groups but not the ones to get access - which is fine with us really. We're not interested in POTA so we don't need it - well we haven't needed it until now. So this will be one more thing we will never get. LOL The list continues to grow.

    But as Leavwiz said., placing this item on the general vendor would have been a better implementation for everyone that is able to obtain them. It doesn't force a demand to do something that we personally won't be able to do.
  2. Cummings Active Member

    So let's see.

    Never going to do POTA, Refuse to do Swamp armor, Won't do CoB, CoW, Stirhad or any of the other places. Nor do you have the inclination to do any of those. You have 3 level 55 Characters and 10 over level 50 and you say you have no time?!

    And then my FAVORITE quote...."We're entitled to get it so why not?"

    GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! I logged into Vanguard yesterday and said hello to my guildies. I'm entitled to Tharridon's bag seeing as how I play the game.

    Guess my self imposed ban didn't last too long but this made me sick.
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  3. Josh Active Member

    That's a shame :(
  4. Josh Active Member

    Hey, that's just great - I'm very pleased for you.
  5. Dielle Active Member

    There's no reason the converting item has to be on a merchant in a zone with an access quest. Just like there's no reasons the non-destroying augment solvents have to be there.

    They could have put it on a merchant deep in APW behind Kota and some of you would defend that decision to the death using the same demented arguments you posted here.

    Anyone stomping on Josh for this is pathetic.
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  6. Josh Active Member

    Thanks Dielle - and yes it could have been in any hard to get location and would still be unreasonable.
  7. Cummings Active Member

    I have ZERO problem with moving the location of the augment but to sit here and say that you refuse to do ANY of the content yet you're entitled to something is "pathetic" as you put it.
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  8. Josh Active Member

    Just like you are entitled to your Tharidons bag, I am entitled to anything this game offers - it's why I pay to play.

    Deal with it
  9. Dinjoc Member

    Uh no. You want cool stuff, you need to earn it. You don't want to do PotA/CoB/APW/etc. that's fine, then you don't get the gear from those areas. Your choice.

    However I agree this flight aug item could've been put someplace more accessible since it's just an appearance item. How about giving Naziel or the leader in the griffon camp a dialogue option to buy it if you've completed the quest line?
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  10. Cummings Active Member

    huh?! Maybe I'm getting old and just don't understand people anymore but NOONE IS ENTITLED ANYTHING! Whatever happened to earning things, having a sense of accomplishment, playing the games. How is it possible that just because I plop some money down I am ENTITLED to everything. NO NO and NO! Not just in this game and this instance of the forums but THIS IS EXACTLY one of the fundamental issues with our SOCIETY today! You say deal with it...I say live in the real world.
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  11. Glenzig Well-Known Member

    Well you certainly spend enough time posting on the forums. Maybe you should try to get a group together to do PoTA access by way of a post. Just a thought.
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  12. Josh Active Member

    I'm on a laptop - so can't. But thanks
  13. Josh Active Member

    Think I'm probably older than you - and yes anything/item this or any other game has available is an entitlement - whether or not you choose to do what obtaining that item requires is another factor completely.

    "An entitlement is a guarantee of access to something" - doesn't say guarantee of obtaining

    I choose not to do pota due to several factors, doesn't mean I am not entitled to the items that pota offers. I won't get them, but I am still entitled to them.

    I do live in the real world - take a chill pill, you're gonna blow a gasket :)
  14. Josh Active Member

    True to an extent - Cool stuff is relevant - I think the new flying mounts are cool, to earn them I just have to pay some money. I don't need to go do a group of quests I avoid to obtain them.

    That's the point - the augs can be on a general vendor and everyone would have access to them. It's an entitlement if you have the mount the augs go with.
  15. Dinjoc Member

    Allow me to clarify. You said:

    You are not entitled to anything this game offers. If that is why you pay to play, then you're bound to be disappointed. You ARE entitled to SOME things this game offers, just as much as I am entitled to SOME things this game offers, Cummings is entitled to SOME things this game offers, and anyone else is entitled to SOME things this game offers. Not EVERY thing and not ANY thing. This game is not a charity nor is it pay to win. You can get nice things for paying extra, or even paying your sub, but they are by no means the best items in game (or even great items) nor should they be. Additionally these items are not necessities to enjoy the game, as you have already illustrated by foregoing a lot of high end content. However, just like how you earned whichever flying mount you currently have that's faster than the shop mounts, most things will have to be earned. They will not be given to you.

    Also, the developers could have easily said "We're going to make you jump through a few hoops to get this new flight mount aug," and put in a 2 or 3 part quest line to make players earn it. That's there prerogative. The fact they made it a vendor item instead is also their prerogative. If they wanted to make it a veteran claimable reward only, that would have been their prerogative. If they wanted to make it a SOE Live exclusive, that would have been their prerogative. There is no entitlement here as to whether all players should have access or not, it was up to the developers on how they wanted to introduce it to the game. Granted, there is a possibility that this current level of access was just an oversight, and if that's the case by all means post to ask the devs and see if they can put it on general vendors or like I suggested put it on another NPC with a flag to it. However it's still their decision on how they implement it. If they say "Yeeeeeeeeah, we're not gonna do that," then that's the way it is. Entitlement is not part of the equation.
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  16. Josh Active Member

    Feel free to elaborate why I am only entitled to SOME things - if it's there I am entitled to obtain it - and that means ALL of it.
    Items are placed in games like these to be obtained, which is entitlement - not just some of the things, but everything.

    Agreed though, it's up to the devs where they put things, which is why the original discussion of why put it where many of us can not obtain it - way back on page 1 ;) If you have a griffon, you can obtain the aug, but only if you do the pota entry quests.
  17. Cummings Active Member

    Maybe he just doesn't understand the word seeing as how he just grabbed the first thing he saw when doing a google search which was actually the definition of AN Entitlement. He got what he was after in the first few words of the definition but apparently either refused to or didn't have the inclination to finish reading. I guess he didn't have enough time.

    An entitlement is a guarantee of access to something, such as to Social Security, Medicare or welfare benefits, based on established rights or by legislation.
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  18. Josh Active Member

    You're right I grabbed the first part of the definition - so if you want elaboration here it is (I still only needed the first part)
    You are however correct that use of the word entitled, was incorrect in my usage - my bad - let's just fix that nowand substitue "I have an entitlement to the items".

    There... better?

    According to websters:
    en·ti·tle·ment

    noun \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\
    : the condition of having a right to have, do, or get something <= APPLICABLE
    : the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges) <= NOT APPLICABLE
    : a type of financial help provided by the government for members of a particular group<= NOT APPLICABLE

    Yeppers, have time :)

    I believe the first condition is met and if the devs would be so kind as to move the item to a vendor everyone has access to that would be much appreciated. ;)
  19. Cummings Active Member

    I love a good "right fight." Apparently you haven't met the condition of PotA access so please move on to definition 2.
  20. Josh Active Member

    Didn't you ban yourself a few days ago - I'm glad you find me so important - I feel so, well - ENTITLED :D

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